Richard Zoglin

author of Elvis in Vegas

Telephone interview by EIN's Nigel Patterson, 1 July 2019

About the author: Richard Zoglin is a contributing editor and theater critic for Time magazine. He is the author of Hope: Entertainer of the Century and Comedy at the Edge: How Stand-up in the 1970s Changed America. A native of Kansas City, Missouri, Zoglin currently lives in New York City.

Richard's new book, Elvis in Vegas, will be published on 23 July 2019.

 The Interview


EIN: Richard, thank you for talking time out of your busy schedule to talk with EIN. Before we discuss your upcoming book, Elvis in Vegas, could you tell us about what led you to take up a career in journalism.

RZ: I always liked to write. I went to school at the University of California in Berkley where I studied English and received my Masters in Journalism. I found a job with a magazine and started writing a lot about television. This started my career in journalism. For four years I was the TV critic for the Atlanta Constitution newspaper in Atlanta, Georgia. From there I moved to Time and became a TV critic. I had always been interested in the entertainment world in general. I wrote about TV for a long time and still with Time, became a theatre critic. I’ve always stayed in the general world of entertainment.

EIN: How did Elvis In Vegas come about?

RZ: It actually started because I thought somebody should do a history of Las Vegas and the golden age of entertainment. My idea was to write a book from the early 60s starting with the Rat Pack up to Elvis’ Vegas comeback in 1969. That was sort of the culmination of that great era of entertainment in Vegas. As I looked into Elvis more and more I saw that he had played Vegas in 1956 - something I didn’t know. After his 1956 shows, Elvis formed a strong connection with Vegas. He just loved it, all the way through the 60s, even though he wasn’t playing Vegas then. So I decided to make the book a sort of dual narrative of Vegas golden age culminating in Elvis’ ‘69 comeback and of Elvis himself and his connection with Vegas over those years.

EIN: Richard, in Elvis In Vegas, I was impressed by your ability to frame Elvis’ comeback in the socio-political context of the time.

RZ: There were so many interesting narrative threads. I realised that no one had ever put Elvis’ comeback in the context of Las Vegas and how it impacted not only Elvis, but Vegas as well. And to do that I needed to tell the story of Las Vegas entertainment, its history, how it was before....the Rat Pack shows which were part of the old nightclub style era. And by the late 60s with the rock revolution and the Beatles, how that affected Vegas. Vegas was starting to feel very “old school” and the hotel owners needed something to broaden their audience and attract the younger generation. Elvis, the original rock and roller came along and so in my book I draw together all these different narrative strands.

EIN: You have written two critically acclaimed books: Comedy at the Edge: How Stand-Up in the 1970’s Changed America and Hope: Entertainer of the Century. How similar was it writing Elvis in Vegas? Was your process the same?

RZ: Yes it was generally the same. I enjoy picking pop culture subjects that haven’t been covered that much. My first book was on stand-up comedians of the 1970s, which was an era people knew about, they knew comedians like George Carlin, Lenny Bruce, Steve Martin, and so on, but no-one had brought it together as a distinctive period and talked about how one influenced the other and so forth. I thought that would be an original idea to write about. Regarding my second book, Bob Hope was a very important entertainer in the 20th century who hadn’t been given a really good biography about him and his career and I thought that was a big need. For both books I interviewed as many people who were still around who had known those people. A lot of their contemporaries were gone. I did my other research by reading everything that was out there.

In writing Elvis In Vegas it was the same, long process, doing as many first-hand interviews as possible, reading all that was out there, and then writing about his role in defining a certain era in Vegas history. I talked to people who were in his band, people who were his intimates during that period of his career, and other show business people who knew him, appeared with him or were part of the Vegas scene at the time.

It was a bit harder for me as I was a a little outside my comfort zone in the sense that I’m not a music critic, so talking about Elvis’ music was more of a challenge for me. Although I’m a fan, I’m not a music person.  I’m not a musical expert per se but I am a fan of Elvis and someone who is interested in the creative processes. I always thought with Elvis, who was having creative problems by the late 60s and was able to resurrect his career, that it was a story that appeals. I am fascinated by how a person manages their career challenges and their creative processes to find a way back. I felt a lot more comfortable writing about comedians as that’s a subject I’m much more familiar with. However, I think what I was doing was essentially the same are describing a person’s creative process and career. I think I am a good listener and I feel I was able to do the job. I think that how I’ve brought together that part of Elvis’ career has not been done before.


EIN: How long did the process take with Elvis In Vegas?

RZ: It took about 2 and a half years. I thought that was a pretty good pace. Bob Hope took longer. It was a longer book and a longer career.....he lived to be 100. And Elvis in Vegas was a more defined period.

EIN: And Bob Hope’s career was broader than Elvis’ – he started out in Vaudeville.

RZ: Yes. And doing a full biography takes more work and deeper research, while Elvis in Vegas, his relationship with Vegas, was more defined.

EIN: Richard, in Elvis in Vegas, you discuss how Elvis shook up Vegas with his non-conventional template for what a Vegas show was. In contemplating this I found it interesting to also consider the powerful quote by rock critic, Richard Goldstein, that you include in the book:

“You have to remember how the counterculture hated him… By then he was doing music that we considered plastic.”

It appears Elvis, while intrinsically innovative, was almost always “out of step” with the establishment, be it the conservatism of “mom and dad" America in the 50s and then the progressive, counterculture rock media of the late 60s. Do you have a view on this?

RZ: That is an interesting point. What happened in the 60s is that Elvis was not performing live. He was making those movies and recording lightweight pop songs at a time when the rock world was changing. And with the Beatles and everyone else who came after, suddenly you had to be a singer-songwriter. People wrote their own songs. Elvis was part of the old tradition in that he was a singer, an interpreter, he did not write his own songs. So I think with the “hip” rock critics they just thought Elvis was not what was happening.

I would say there was a certain narrow mindedness in the "quote, unquote" progressive rock critics. To them there was a certain style that was happening and that was what they were into and they couldn’t expand their horizons enough to take in the people who weren’t doing what they were into. Elvis wasn’t really at the cutting edge of what was going on and he had gotten pretty complacent. His music wasn’t making the charts, it wasn’t making a splash like it used to. And so the rock critics who were into the Beatles and the Stones and everybody else, had no use for Elvis. They didn’t realise that Elvis still was as a singer, as a musical artist, a great performer. He didn’t have good material throughout the 60s and once that changed they realised he was still a great singer. They were surprised and incredibly impressed by what Elvis did when he came back, with the ‘68 Special and Vegas in ‘69.

EIN: You also note in the book how Elvis did not have a musical director producer for his Vegas shows. What does that say about Elvis and if he had used a musical director or producer, how do you think it may have impacted his shows and impact on Vegas?

RZ: That's a good question. I think Elvis was always a really instinctual performer. I think that had he had a musical director or producer it might have been more a show like Colonel Parker envisaged, a more traditional Vegas show with chorus girls. But Elvis had his vision, essentially of a rock concert on the Vegas stage, but blown up to big Vegas proportions. He wanted that stage to be filled with more musicians than any Vegas show ever. He wanted two back up groups, a rhythm band and a full orchestra. I was surprised. I kept asking people, “Who picked the songs?", "who decided how the set would go or that he would start with these songs then move to this?".

To me, it seemed that there would be some kind of musical guru or veteran of those kind of shows who would help you out. But Elvis doesn’t even seem to have had that. He basically just depended on his friends, Charlie Hodge, and so forth to determine what songs he wanted to do and in what order. As I say, I was surprised. I thought that doing a Vegas show under such high stakes and the circumstances of it being his big comeback, it was just such a big gamble for him. Everybody’s eyes were just on him and it was such a make or break thing, I thought he would go out seeking a little more advice, but it doesn’t seem like he did. Colonel Parker never had much to do with his creative process, Elvis just had that close circle of friends and the band. And they just went through songs and Elvis made the final decisions.

If he’d had a musical director I think the show could have been slicker and probably wouldn’t have been as good. I think Elvis knew instinctively he needed to just get back to the basics of his singing and to show off the range of material that he was capable of doing at that moment – the early rock songs, the new, big ballads, the sentimental songs and so on. He just knew. He was always an instinctual performer and he kept to that, and I think that was all to the good.

EIN: The role of Colonel Parker in Elvis’ success in Vegas. You suggest the Colonel’s mass marketing of Elvis was a major factor.

RZ: I think Colonel Parker’s marketing strategy was awfully important. People in Vegas told me no-one in Vegas had done promotion for a show like Colonel Parker did. He went out and bought up practically every billboard in town and put Elvis signs on top of taxi cabs and at bus stops. And he blanketed radio with ads for Elvis. He turned Elvis’ return into a real event. There were other Vegas shows with big name stars, but to make one particular show such a big event, that was really a first for Las Vegas. You know Sinatra would come back every few months and there were ads for him but the promotion was Elvis was so much bigger. And it spread beyond Vegas. Everyone knew Elvis was coming. And people started ordering tickets from all over the country and all over the world. So that was what Colonel Parker was good at....promotion. And he turned Elvis’ ‘69 season into the first real event, big event, in Vegas. I think that was the model for so many shows that followed. What Colonel Parker did was something new for Vegas and I think it had a lot to do with the success of Elvis’ comeback.

EIN: EIN is still trying to understand the unprovoked standing ovations Elvis received at both his ‘opening night – by invitation only show” and subsequent press conference. In particular, a standing ovation by media at a press conference seems highly unusual. What do you think it was about Elvis that produced these displays?

RG: Yes it was. It surprised me. That was the only press conference he ever gave in Las Vegas. It came after the show which everybody agreed was a raging success. I think everybody in the press knew what it meant to Elvis and that he really pulled off a great feat. And, just spontaneously, I guess they just felt he deserved another ovation. So when he walked into the room they gave him another standing ovation. It is a little odd. It was a kind of unique situation.

EIN: Richard, you mention that Elvis’ image as a rock star was not enhanced by his Vegas shows. Was this really important for him by the 1970s when some would contend Elvis was positioning himself simply as cross-genre and standalone event called “Elvis”?

RZ: I may agree with that. And I think as the Vegas years went on and the shows got over the top, and Elvis was physically going downhill, he was no longer of interest to the rock critics. They lost interest in him very fast and he became a symbol of Vegas excess. I think you’re right, Elvis always wanted to do music for everybody and he never dismissed any music because he didn’t think it was cool. He wanted to sing for everybody. He wanted to sing gospel, he wanted to sing sentimental ballads, he wanted to sing for older people, he wanted to sing for kids. And I don’t think he cared about being a big thing in the rock world if he was reaching a big audience that still loved him. And he was doing that. He was doing music that drew into a much broader audience than most rock and roll artists were doing at that time. To him that was a good thing, that was a goal of his, to reach the broadest audience, rather than necessarily achieve credibility with the rock critics.

EIN: It is clear in Elvis in Vegas that after the Rat Pack dominance, Tom Jones and Wayne Newton became powerful figures in Vegas. In your opinion, what was it that Elvis had that placed him above the drawing power of these other acts?

RZ: I think that they were narrower kind of artists. Tom Jones had a short period of time when he was very big and he was a very dynamic stage performer. Elvis learned some of his moves from watching him. But I don’t think Tom Jones was as great a singer as Elvis or had as broad an audience as Elvis. His time in Vegas as a big star was fairly limited.

Wayne Newton, who still performs in Vegas today doing a lounge type show where he goes through his career and shows clips and that sort of thing, was a pure Vegas performer. I mean he had a perfect Vegas show in that it was kind of corny and very schmaltzy, over the top. I don’t think he was insincere but he was very “show businessy”. I don’t think his audience was particularly sophisticated and obviously, musically, he wasn’t as powerful as Elvis. But certainly he had an audience and incredible longevity in Vegas. But as I said, I don’t think Wayne Newton was musically anywhere near what Elvis had.

Elvis combined a real showmanship for Vegas with real musical power and credibility and range, and more. Plus the fact that he was the first rock and roller and had grown and matured as a performer, and put it all out there on stage for everybody to see. It was a much richer experience for Vegas audiences than they got from someone such as Wayne Newton.


EIN: In Elvis In Vegas you cover Elvis’ decline incisively and cogently. You note the early signs of his Vegas decline occurred during the Aug 1970 season when he received death threats and then in August 1971 his performances started to be affected. How much of this do you think was due to Elvis’ boredom rather than his developing marital problems, or was it a combination of these and other factors?

RZ: Well, it was probably a combination, but I think the boredom had a lot to do with it. It started in 1971. I think Elvis having to come back to Vegas and do two shows a night, seven nights a week, for four weeks at a time, was both tiring and eventually boring to him. So I think just to keep himself interested he would start to get a bit crazier on stage. Probably his drug use started to increase, but I think the boredom had a lot to do with it. As you saw in the book I didn’t get into the drugs because that story has been told a lot and I wanted people to remember how great that first year was for Elvis. Without sensationalising it I wanted to just say this is when Elvis started to go downhill, he had little ups and downs, the weight problems and all that. I didn’t want to dwell on it. So I just wanted to go through that period in a more matter of fact way and not hype it. 

EIN: Some fans may take exception to your contention that they were a contributing factor (part of the problem) in Elvis’ decline.  What would you say to them?

RZ: I think you do have to recognise that he was such a big star in Vegas and people came from all over the world to see him. And when they did see him they could be very forgiving. I think the excitement of seeing the man in person was enough for a lot of fans. And I think they maybe let him get away with things way more than they should have. Even when he got a little crazy on stage they just loved him and they would respond to anything he did. I don’t blame them, but I think that in Elvis’ world there was a sense that he didn’t get good criticism from those around him. People were a little afraid to tell Elvis that maybe that performance didn’t measure up and with fans who were just over the moon at seeing him, I think that maybe contributed to a little lack of discipline on Elvis’ part. So I think that’s just the way it is, it was (laughs).

EIN: A theme in Elvis in Vegas is how important timing was to effecting change in Vegas, from the impact Howard Hughes had, to the arrival of the Rat Pack through to Elvis’ comeback. Is that a fair observation?

RZ: Yes it is. When Elvis came along Vegas needed a shot in the arm of some kind. The old stars, the Sinatra’s, Dean Martin’s and Sammy Davis’s, were getting older, the night club scene was starting to look pretty worn and old, and at the same time the rest of the world was changing. And Vegas never knew what to do with rock and roll. They dabbled in it but essentially at the time Vegas was still a night club kind of town. Elvis came along at the perfect time and was able to bring rock and roll into Vegas and onto the big stage.

Up until Elvis’ comeback, rock and roll and R&B were confined more to the lounges and only a little on the main stages. But Elvis really brought rock and roll onto the big Vegas stage and helped Vegas move into that new rock and roll world. Obviously, in 1956, Elvis had totally the wrong timing. The Vegas audience didn’t know what to make of him. I don’t know if Elvis 1964 could have worked in Las Vegas. I think the Rat Pack and its era was still pretty much riding high and maybe Elvis wouldn’t have worked.

EIN: What is Howard Hughes’ legacy regarding Las Vegas?

RZ: Well Hughes was the guy who came in and basically bought out a lot of the old mob owned hotels. He started the trend away from the mob controlled hotels to the new corporate run hotels. It is quite complicated, as at the time Hughes came in it was quite difficult for corporations to get a casino licence. Permission for hotel owners to have a casino licence came from the State Gaming Commission. With a corporation that had stockholders that would have meant each stockholder had to get approval and that was practically impossible. Because of who Hughes was the Gaming Commission relaxed their rules and made it much easier for corporations to obtain gaming licences.

Hughes also started the transition from the era when the casinos were the big money makers that supported the showrooms. The hotels could pay huge money to the stars and charge very little for the shows because they would make it all up in the casinos. All they wanted to do was get people into the showrooms so they would stay and play the casinos and gamble. With Hughes, his idea was that the showroom had to pay for itself, the restaurant had to pay for itself - that led to a lot more financial discipline and they were not spending as wildly. It changed the whole mentality of Las Vegas to a much more financially disciplined operation.

Hughes was an enigma his whole life. He was an enigma in Vegas. If he had had his own way he would have bought up practically the whole town. He was a transitional figure, he didn’t stay in Vegas for that long. But he helped move Vegas from the traditional era of mob owners to the new corporate owners, the Kirk Kerkorian's and Hilton's, and the new hotels, Caesar's Palace, the Holiday Inn, and so on.

EIN: Was there anything you discovered about Elvis when researching and Elvis In Vegas that surprised you?

RZ: You know, what I tell people that surprised me, is that I ended up liking Elvis. Not that I didn’t like him before, but I became more impressed with him as a person. I interviewed dozens of people who knew Elvis, his entourage, his band, or were present when he played Vegas, and I can honestly say that not a single person had a bad word to say about him. Everyone liked Elvis. Whatever craziness was in his world, including his entourage that some people thought kept him too insulated, Elvis himself was just always a really likeable person, generous, interested in people, a good listener, a reader. He was just a very affable person.

I think that despite all the excess and bombast of some of his later shows, Elvis was surprisingly down to earth, still the kid from Tupelo who had stayed grounded with some of those good southern values. His politeness, his good manners, the generosity, the interest in people....I think those were things that he grew up with and that he retained through all the craziness of the later years. I found that all very admirable and it was a bit surprising to me.


EIN: In your biography of Bob Hope you state that Hope “redefined the notion of what it is to be a star”. What will Elvis be remembered for?

RZ: What will Elvis be remembered for? I think Elvis was one of the great, maybe the great innovator in music in the twentieth century. I mean it wasn’t the period that I particularly wrote about in the book, but in the 1950s it was Elvis who changed popular music, he changed the culture. While I wanted to record his impact during his Vegas years I first realised what a revolution he caused in the entire culture in the mid-fifties and that to me is his great legacy. Elvis was the one didn’t necessarily invent rock and roll but he was the one that made it for a mass audience, he’s the one who introduced rhythm and blues to a white audience, he’s the one who created the split in the culture between the old hit parade, Tin Pan Alley standards and the new rock and roll music that kids were listening to.

And that was the first time that the music audience split between what the older generation was listening to and what the kids were listening to. Of course, later that split just widened, but Elvis was the one....when he went on the Ed Sullivan Show it was a shock to the older generation.....who introduced that whole divide in the culture. That’s what I think his main legacy is.

Secondarily though, what I talk about in my book is that his Vegas shows show that here was a guy who could reinvent himself in a way that was totally different to what he did in the fifties, to go in a new direction, to defy the critics and maybe even some of the fans who loved him in the fifties, to figure out how to resurrect his career and move forward in a new direction with such incredible success, and show himself to be such a dynamic performer in a new mode. That to me is a really inspiring story for a creative artist and I would like Elvis to be remembered for that as well.

EIN: What can you say about your next book?

RZ: I am thinking about it but I don’t want to say much about it at this time. What I can say is that it’s know so far with each of my books I’ve written about a certain period in time or covered a subject in a way that hasn’t been done before. It’s hard to find those subjects and I am trying to find another one, but it’s not easy.

EIN: Richard, is there anything else you would like to say to EIN readers?

RZ: You know, I enjoy reading your site and I know there are a lot of knowledgeable fans out there, but I feel a little bit intimidated as I was not a huge Elvis fan before I started the book. I became a major Elvis fan as I wrote the book. I got to appreciate all his music and his Vegas shows, you know I got to watch all the video I could, I’ve listened to all the audio recordings, and I just gained a real appreciation for what a dynamic performer and singer he was. So in my book I wanted to argue against that (almost) cliche that Elvis was overweight and drug affected. Whatever happened in the later years, I wanted to remind people of how terrific and powerful a performer Elvis was when he first came back to Vegas in 1969-70-71.

EIN: Richard, it has been a great pleasure talking with you today. Thank you for your time and insights into Elvis in Vegas. EIN knows many fans are looking forward to your upcoming book and won't be disappointed when they get to read it.


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EIN's review of Richard Zoglin's fascinating book, Elvis in Vegas, will be published shortly

Interview by Nigel Patterson.
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Reader Feedback

Ron Trudell: Like Sammy Davis told Sinatra in 69. FRANK. They put his first name up on the marquee and their coming from all over the world.  I never heard of that.  That’s the power of ELVIS.  WOW.  can’t wait to read your book   Hope it’s in COLLINGWOOD.  ELVISFEST   I’ll be getting it.

Vanessa Carpenter: What a very enjoyable and knowledgeable interview, I love it when people say what a nice person Elvis was!!

Justin Ross: Enjoyed your interview. I have pre-ordered the book.

Brent MacGregor: Thanks for a very good interview. Elvis's comeback in 1969 will go down in history as one of the greatest live perfomances of all time. It proved again how influential The King was.


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